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03 Mar, 2009

Hypocrite

Posted by: typealice In: Baby| Gillian| Parenting

So, a friend of mine called me a hypocrite recently in a heated discussion about where a new dad should go to register for a baby shower. I told him to avoid Toys R Us and to search out more natural product lines (cloth and wooden toys specifically) and to get an account with WishCentral.com in order to be able to add gift ideas from all over the internet, including and especially Etsy.

Said friend accused me of shoving my opinion down his throat. You can’t win them all. I guess I just thought (hoped) that most educated parents would be aware of all of the risks that plastic toys have, and that any educated person would choose the readily-available alternatives. Don’t ask me where to register if you’re not interested in hearing anything but Toys R Us (which, IMO, isn’t even the greatest place for cribs and strollers).

Anyway, the hypocrite part came from us enrolling Ash in daycare where they will inevitably offer plastic toys for him to play with. So, here’s my stance on that:

I do not buy plastic toys. Clive does on occasion, even from Toys R Us, much to my dismay. But he’s the dad and has a say in what Ash can play with, so I grin and bare it and remind Clive that all of my work to keep toxic chemicals out of the house is basically nullified with a giant plastic Dora the Explorer Diego Jeep that Ash can ride in.

Ash plays with plastic toys when we’re at the library or at friend’s houses, and it’s okay with me. He likes them, it’s not a long exposure and there’s nothing I can do about it. I’m not at playdates freaking out and holding Ash down to keep him away from anything plastic. He will play with them at daycare, and it’s something I accept. It doesn’t mean I like it. It doesn’t mean I’m a hypocrite.

If I had the funds to continue to stay at home, I would. If I didn’t want to get pregnant again and need to go on maternity leave, I would keep Ash at home and enroll him in activities to keep him entertained and thriving, but that’s just not the case. So, I have to go back to work and he has to go into daycare. Those are the facts, that’s the disappointing situation I’m in.

Plastic is not completely banned from my house. Ash’s dirty diapers are kept in a plastic pail while they’re ready to be washed. Last night we ate a pizza from a box and the pizza was wrapped in plastic. I have plastic containers for food (but avoid Tupperware brand: #7 plastic is sooooooooooo bad for you) and it’s #5 and I can deal with it. If I could afford to stock my kitchen with Pyrex products, I would. We make choices with what we can and can’t do, and for me, I’m slowly moving forward with improving the quality of all the products we have in our house to be as non-toxic as possible. It’s a process.

I live in a city and Ash is exposed to exhaust fumes on our daily walk, and even though it makes me really sad, we can’t live in the country because Clive’s job is in the city and neither of us want to commute. There are choices like this that we have to make every day, some of them are not the best, but that’s how life works.

I try to set up our lives so that we can live as non-toxically as possible, and hope that others do too. I think it’s extremely important to try to educate new parents who may not know anything else but a company with an advertising campaign worth millions- but I understand that I can only do so much, even if they’re seeking out my opinion.

Does that make me a hypocrite? No. It makes me human.


From: http://www.breastcancerfund.org/site/pp.asp?c=kwKXLdPaE&b=4956181

San Francisco—A scientific review article published in the International Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health shows that a host of chemicals that mimic or alter the activities of natural hormones can potentially increase breast cancer risk…

“Early-life exposures to endocrine disruptors like phthalates and BPA—particularly during fetal development and childhood, but also continuing through first childbirth and breastfeeding—are closely linked to later-life breast cancer risk,”

From: http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/consumerism/toxic_toy_story.html

One of the most frightening, I believe, is the possibility that phthalates may be chemicals that behave similarly to hormones in our bodies. Eight phthalates have been shown to be weakly estrogenic, which means they can cause responses in the body similar to those elicited by estrogen. …

Other Effects of Phthalates:

  • DEHP has been shown to cause liver cancer in rats and is considered a potential human carcinogen.5
    Rats exposed to DEHP over long periods exhibited kidney damage similar to that which is seen in humans undergoing long-term kidney dialysis.6
  • High doses of DEHP and di-n-butyl-phthalate (DBP) have been shown to affect reproduction and sperm production in rats, as well.7,8
  • In the human body, DEHP is converted into mono-2-ethylhexyl-phthalate (MEHP). MEHP has been found to cause cardiac and respiratory arrest in rats.9

31 Responses to "Hypocrite"

1 | Charley

March 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm

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I really don’t think that makes you a hypocrite, it makes you aware of the risks and why impose risks when you don’t have too? I’d do/be exactly the same. Besides all the obvious chemical leeching nastiness plastic toys look HORRIBLE. Ha, maybe I’m just an aesthetic snob but I sure as hell don’t want a house full of the things when the time comes.

2 | typealice

March 3rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm

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I hear that! I HATE the look of plastic toys strewn across a room!

3 | Erica

March 3rd, 2009 at 8:59 pm

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Your approach makes a ton of sense and is what I plan on doing. In fact, I think that being lax about exposure out of the home is all the more reason to be particularly rabid about BPA in the home; because you know that there’s so much he gets elsewhere, so you’d try to keep your home as BPA-free as possible. Doesn’t sound hypocritical to me.

4 | Mommy123

March 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 pm

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I find it so funny that you ALWAYS delete the comments that do not agree with you and only keep the ones that boost your ego. Why not be true and allow Nicole’s side to be heard? How sad that you are so closed minded.

5 | Carla Hills

March 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 pm

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Doesn’t sound hypocritical to me at all, what you spend your money on and choose to use daily is what you support. You can’t expect everyone else in the world to support the same thing as you, and you don’t…so you aren’t a hypocrite.
BUT, one thing. The #7 plastic code is the code for “Other”, any plastic that doesn’t fit into the specific type codes of 1 thru 6 is lumped under that. INCLUDING the BPA type. However, most Tupperware products are NOT made with BPA plastics…http://order.tupperware.ca/pls/htprod_wwwcan/tup_widget.show_page?fv_page_code=prodcodes&fv_section_name=help&fv_category_code=search&fv_item_category_code=200550

6 | Rebekah Sue Harris

March 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm

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While I’ll assume you’re no hypocrite, I wasn’t there.

I will say that, in my experience, it’s not hypocritical to pick and choose your battles. The current battle may be plastic and, you’re right, it’s unavoidable because it’s what’s been made most available to us. Hell, you may be too young but I’m sure that Richard Larratt will remember… there was a movie about a boy who had immune deficiency syndrome. (Like AIDS but NOT acquired.) Movie title: “The Boy in the Plastic Bubble.” You do your best, you keep in mind that most (but not all) of us lived through plastic and all kinds of other things that are bad for kids but our parents didn’t know.

You protect your child as far as you can, but you know you can’t keep locked up if you want him healthy and happy and emotionally growing every day.

7 | Rebekah Sue Harris

March 3rd, 2009 at 9:24 pm

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p.s. I wish that Comment #4 was up when I’d begun to type. I’m not going to cause drama in your blog – feel free to delete this if you want! – but I think that anyone who wants to tell his or her own side can get a free blog, and that any blogger can take down comments.

have a good evening; it’s coming up on midnight here in New England. Take care.

8 | typealice

March 4th, 2009 at 3:34 am

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Mommy123:
I deleted her (and my) comments because I didn’t want to restart the argument here. My entry was not about the argument itself, but rather about my stance on plastic outside of my home, and Nicole just made me think about that.

Her comments were full of half truths and non truths (and some truths), and I didn’t feel like arguing publically about it because it’s ugly. It’s not about her (or me) being right or wrong, and DEFINITELY not about my ego. I just didn’t want to continue in that fight because there would be no “winner” and it’s not for other people to read about.

And I’ve left TONS of comments that are unflattering about myself up because I believe that they should be heard too. Just go back to the Sundry era and you’ll see what I mean. Don’t be such a liar.

9 | typealice

March 4th, 2009 at 3:45 am

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Rebekah Sue Harris: Unfortunately, “I did it and I’m okay” is not a great argument, considering our cancer rates and all kinds of other problems that plastic is linked to. Also, it’s totally impossible to tell what people would have been like had they not been exposed to plastic in the first place. I appreciate your input, but that argument just doesn’t have any strength, haha.

10 | Ashley

March 4th, 2009 at 9:10 am

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It’s all about reducing risk. Don’t feel like the Diego Jeep nullifies your actions, because it doesn’t really. (Though I am sure it feels like a slap).

I don’t think it’s hypocritical, obviously. Bob plays with all the plastic toys at Early Years and Kindergym and friends houses. I would seriously doubt any plastic-conscious parent is actually denying their child play in non-household social and educational settings, since that would be crazy.

Simply trying to reduce your developing infant and toddlers risk of developing cancer, kidney and reproductive damage seems like a highly logical choice, especially when the options are so readily available these days and the knowledge is out there. It is your view and your choice to lessen the amount of plastic in your house, but the facts are the facts and these materials are questionable at best.

11 | Sarah

March 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am

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I live in upstate New York and Pyrex abounds at flea markets and antique stores here. Yes, it’s older and you may find the lid several months after the bottom, but I’ve expanded my collection for very little money.

12 | typealice

March 4th, 2009 at 10:41 am

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Ah yes! I love finding treasures like that!

13 | Jen

March 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

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You know what I am learning, G? It’s all in the delivery. I have a friend of a friend who, like your friend, asked me for my opinion on baby wipes. I *hate* baby wipes. I think they are a wasteful thing full of chemicals and they are gross and leave residue and blah blah blah. But before telling her my opinion, I asked what she thought of them first, to get a sense of where she was coming from. She was already feeling a little…. apprehensive about using them when her baby is born. So I said “I was given a box when Kale was born, but I prefer to use washcloths with this really nice smelling bumwash I make. It’s so much cheaper and it smells nicer and we’ve never had diaper rash, knock wood. I put it in a sprayer and we can take it wherever we go. Plus its better for the environment and Kale’s skin too!” The next day, she emailed me for the recipe and asked where I got the ingredients.
Maybe if you had just listed all the other places instead of starting with a diatribe against Toys R Us, and waited till the person said “well, what about Toys R Us?” before launching into a speech about marketing and corporate profits etc (I don’t know what you said, but I know how we both feel about TRU! :) ) it would have come off as information sharing rather than preaching. I think you are right that new parents need education, but its all about how they get that education.

And funny that you write about this today. Today I brought out a plastic toy (those Fisher Price rock n stack thing) that we were given at a baby shower. I was going to pass it on to someone else because, like you, I HATE plastic toys. Never mind all the cancer stuff- they look cheap and they break and I simply hate the way plastic feels! But Kale’s been needing some new toys so I thought long and hard and decided that a) I didn’t buy this toy and b) he’s not going to use this toy forever and c) he’s really only going to play with this toy while I am there so I can control his exposure. But I felt SO GUILTY opening the package and washing it and showing him the new toy.

14 | typealice

March 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

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Jen: You’re totally right, and that’s what Nicole and I have been talking about a bit privately via email. She reiterated that I was coming off too forcefully and I realized that she thought that I should have prefaced my opinions with some cold hard facts about what kinds of dangers are hiding on big name store shelves.

When I originally said this to the Dad to Be (the “Don’t go to TRU!”) he followed up with “I like the way you think, Gillian” so I felt that I could basically bash the shit out of plastic without offending anyone. It just didn’t happen that way.

This conversation I had really opened up my eyes to how personally everyone takes things, even fucking plastic- something that’s been PROVEN to be harmful, and that at my new job I’m going to have to watch every single word that comes out of my mouth, especially to hormonal pregnant women and women who are PP. Yikes.

15 | busybee

March 4th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

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Where is your new job Gillian?
Are you excited to be able to converse regularly with adults?
Bee.

16 | typealice

March 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

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I got the job at the natural parenting store, and start April 1. I have great mom friends, so I get to talk to them very regularly, but yeah, I guess it’ll be nice to get out and meet new people.

But I’m still so sad to leave Ash.

17 | Jen

March 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

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hoo boy! You are definitely going to have to be careful about how you say things at that store! Whoa! Pregnant women are the WORST when it comes to taking things so personally. Remember you and I arguing when I was pregnant? :)

Sometimes it takes more than one conversation to convince people, so make sure that people are always willing to come back to talk.

18 | typealice

March 4th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

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Yeah, thinking about it literally keeps me up at night. :(

19 | busybee

March 4th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

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Congrats on the job, retail is always fun to work in, especially kid related retail!
I would definitely agree that getting a message across is all about the deliverance. As well as picking your battles and deciding if it is worth the energy trying to challenge the minds of everyone instead of just a select few.
I found an awesome post on another blog, i’m just waiting for permission to post it elsewhere.

20 | typealice

March 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

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I hope this retail job is fun- after my last retail job (five years ago), I swore I’d never do it again. Sometimes it can be brutal. Luckily, my boss is awesome and I love everything she sells, so hopefully it’ll be great! I wouldn’t have taken it if I had thought otherwise. ;)

All this being said, I’m a lot less outspoken in real life. The internet can make it easy to talk about how I really feel, but at the same time, it’s really easy for people to misinterpret things online.

21 | SamuelL

March 6th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

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Whether you are right or not is irrelevant.

The point is that you are a royal pain in the arse for telling someone else what they should or should not do.

22 | Jessica

March 7th, 2009 at 3:01 am

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I don’t think that you did anything wrong by expressing your opinion when it was clearly asked for. If this person is really a friend of yours then surely he knows how strongly you express yourself. I mean Im the kind of person who feels like -Don’t ask me something if you don’t want to hear what I really think.

23 | typealice

March 7th, 2009 at 3:34 am

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SamuelL: You’re an idiot. I was specifically asked for my opinion. I gave it.

24 | Carmen

March 8th, 2009 at 10:10 am

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One thing I’ve learned is that work is no place for preaching controversial opinions. Even though you will be working in a place where people will ask your opinions on stuff…if someone asks you about a plastic sippy cup and you start railing about the evils of plastic..they will think you are crazy and dismiss you. Hell it’s happened to me before! Take that person’s advice and just gently bring it up..maybe point them to resources that give information on it. I’m rabidly pro gun..but at my work place, plenty of people are anti gun, and many of those are doctors (who think they are God). Me getting all worked up about gun rights would be stupid there. And honestly, I don’t want hear people bitching about whatever they think is right at work, so I have to do the same. Basically with work, my goal is to get in, get out, and stay pleasant, and that’s it. I’m not there to convert the masses. (Though I do see with working at the kinda place you work at, you are supposed to give your opinion more).

25 | Carmen

March 8th, 2009 at 10:12 am

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Not to mention…your boss won’t like you if your offending customers!

26 | typealice

March 8th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

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Carmen: You’re totally right, and what you’ve said is everything I’ve thought about. I’ve decided to shut my trap unless asked my opinion, and when giving my opinion focus on the good products the store will offer instead of badmouthing other companies and alternatives. :)

27 | Carmen

March 8th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

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Sounds like a good plan!

28 | Joan Larsen

March 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

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Gillian,

What I find hard to understand was the “disagreement” betweem you and Nicole was almost 3 weeks before you posted this, and as far as I could tell, hard feelings between the two of you had blown over. You and Nicole are both strong women that voice your opinions, yet usually would not hold a grudge against a friend over such. Yet by waiting so long and then posting this it seems more like an attack on Nicole to have everyone telling you that you were right.

After you deleted Nicole’s comments you posted:

Her comments were full of half truths and non truths (and some truths), and I didn’t feel like arguing publically about it because it’s ugly. It’s not about her (or me) being right or wrong, and DEFINITELY not about my ego. I just didn’t want to continue in that fight because there would be no “winner” and it’s not for other people to read about.

First off, I was in the same thread from Tye that the disagreement occured in and frankly you are not being 100% open and honest about the whole thing, I think you both handled it wrong and both got nasty when not needed, but to state that you are avoiding bringing the argument here is ridiculous when everyone that I have heard from sees this as an attack from you, and pretty unjustified at that.

I do think your opinions are great and respect your beliefs, but I also can understand that respect goes both ways. To say you have to be careful of what you say around hormonal pregnant women belittles her opinion and brushes it off as a tantrum from a silly overly emotional pregnant lady, something I know you would take great offence to if it had been said about you when pregnant. It trivializes her opinions and stance in an argument and it is a childish approach for you to make, something I did not expect from you.

That said, I know that you BOTH got a tad nasty and defensive in the original stream on FB but I also know that in Nicole’s opinion it was over and in the past, just a disagreement, albeit a strong one, but you were still friends. This is the friend that hosted your shower, and was at your wedding and thought of you like family, but now, to show the world how brazenly you were “attacked” and how right your opinions really were, you felt the need to destroy the bond you two had. Does it really seem worth it, to have everyone tell you your stance on plastic was correct, when from what I read that was never the true purpose of the argument.

From the beginning it did appear a simple request from a new daddy of where to register sent you into a diatribe of spouting the evils of Toys are Us, and the evils of plastic. I understand you hold dear your beliefs and the safety of children, but as stated above, there is kinder, gentler less militant ways to get your opinion across without offending and ostricizing others.

Now you have blocked Nicole and Marc from your fb page and wrote there “you hate drama” yet from where I sit, honestly really liking and respecting you both, the drama started and ended with you. It saddens me most of all because I am planning her shower and was trying my best to plan it for when you were visiting and now over silly egos a friendship seems beyond repair..
I hope I’m wrong and this can be fixed

I do not belittle your opinions, I don’t look down on your message, just your delivery system at times

take care
Joan

29 | Gillian

March 8th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

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Joan:
Thanks for your comments. Contrary to your and her belief, this entry was not ABOUT that email thread, but merely inspired by it. I have thought a LOT (prior to the conversation) about how I feel about Ash being exposed to plastic and (likely) harmful cleaners while at daycare. I wrote this entry because I wanted to address this issue to myself and to others who may have been wondering how I feel about sending him off for eight or nine hours a day in an environment that I don’t agree with.

My conversation with Nicole made me really think about my choices, and for that I’m thankful.

I still want to be her friend. She and I said nasty things to one another when the conversation got personal. I know my delivery was not good- I see that now. And I also didn’t mean to diminish Nicole’s feelings about the topic as her just being hormonal… I hardly even thought about Nicole actually being pregnant at the time of me writing that (but now I see that was an error on my part).

Yes, I told Tye that he should avoid BRU/TRU and only ask for cloth/wooden toys. I’ve never lied about that. My delivery was frank. Nicole told me I should have prefaced it with facts about plastic, and only then did I link the informative CBC documentary.

I kind of resent you saying that the drama started with me, when Nic was the first person to get nasty and told me to “Listen, take a pill, go lick some laminate.” That’s the only time when I started getting offended, even after she told me that I was shoving my opinion down his throat.

Nicole has been there for me, just as I’ve been there for her, for years, and I appreciate her friendship and never meant for it to get nasty or mean. Especially over something that she and I tend to agree on, at least mostly.

I only removed Nicole from my FB page when she littered my comments with “when I saw you this summer, ash was drinking out of plastic (wrong!), sitting in a plastic high chair (wrong!), playing with a plastic toy (there was no mention of the multitude of OTHER non-plastic toys we had for him), teething on laminated books (wrong!) and wearing sposies (with no mention that we had no access to a w/d) and it really hurt that she took so many things out of context to use them against me and make me sound like an actual hypocrite. I only deleted Marc because I know she’s ruthless when she’s mad at someone… Marc had nothing to do with it and I know I hurt his feelings and I’m really, really sorry.

If anything, this conversation (here and there) has made me realize how brut I am and how it just doesn’t work, and I’m going to change my ways. Also, things come across a lot harsher online than they do in real life, and so it’s all left up to interpretation.

I hope that Nicole and I can recover from this. I really do.

30 | Joan Larsen

March 8th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

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I do as well, because I value you both as friends very much and I think you both love each other, all of us are just very strong opinionated women that tend to only see our own side of things, myself included.
I hope you can both get past this <3

31 | Mommy123

March 12th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

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Amen Joan Larsen!!!

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I'm Gillian, a world-traveller turned natural parent. I believe in primal parenting; breastfeeding, baby wearing, cosleeping, cloth diapering, elimination communication, vegetarianism and all things natural. I have very strong parenting views. There's nothing better in my life than my days with my kid. Also: sushi and sweet white wine, skinny jeans and black tshirts, torrents and sugar.

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