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07 Nov, 2009

Mass Hysteria, MD

Posted by: typealice In: Gillian

Mass Hysteria, M.D and Big Pharm, M.D. So Clive and I went as doctors for Hallowe’en this year. I got up early and sewed some doctor’s masks to go with the thrift store lab coats I got for $2 each earlier in the week.

My name tag was Mass Hysteria, MD and Clive’s was Big Pharm, MD.

Which pretty much sums up my thoughts on the swine flu and its vaccination.

I’ve been asked by a few people to write about my thoughts on the topic. Those of you who are my friend on facebook have probably been inundated with my links about the topic- so much so that you may have “hidden” me so you don’t have to hear about it anymore.

My feelings are strong, and I have a very hard time staying calm when I think about this topic, especially concerning the people I care about in my life and who are thinking about, or have already gotten this vaccination.

I haven’t spoken about it much here because I don’t like vaccination debates, but we haven’t vaccinated Ash against anything and we don’t intend to. I’ve been vaccinated like crazy because of my travels (especially because of travelling to West Africa) and didn’t think twice about it at the time because I didn’t even know vaccinations were controversial.

So, what do I think about H1N1? Pretty much the same thing as my friends Ashley and Jen.

I think: It’s the fucking FLU. THE FLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

Also: this vaccination is fucking dirty. DIRTY. DIRRRTTTYYYY! Mercury! Formaldehyde (not that that’s anything new)! Both toxic! Mercury poisoning can result in autism-like behaviour! And you’re INJECTING IT RIGHT INTO YOUR VEINS!!!!

One more thing: THE MEDIA IS CONTROLLING YOUR MINDS. It’s a fucking hayday out there in media-land for swine flu stories. They’re making lots and lots of money off of this, and you’re all lapping it up and you probably don’t even see it.

Okay, okay. My heart is literally beating faster and faster (as you may be able to tell by all the capital letters)

Some of the things I want to point out:

H1N1 is NOT more deadly than the regular flu, so please stop thinking it is.
(Source: The Globe and Mail)

There was a long-running assumption that a pandemic strain of influenza would be more deadly than seasonal flu. So far, H1N1 is not proving more deadly. If anything, it will probably be less lethal than a seasonal flu. But remember, a run-of-the-mill seasonal flu kills an estimated 4,000 to 8,000 Canadians each year.

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They are recommending that if you get the swine flu, stay at home. WHY would I vaccinate against something so mild that I don’t even have to go to a doctor about?
(Source: CBC)

If your symptoms are mild, a trip to the emergency room will only have you put people at risk of catching the virus and expose you to other illnesses. The best thing to do if you have swine flu is to stay home, treat the symptoms and avoid infecting others. If you have risk factors or other medical problems then it’s best you see a doctor right away.

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The vaccination you’re thinking about getting, or have gotten has formaldehyde and mercury in it. The other one without these things is NOT AVAILABLE YET.
(Source: Health Canada)

Antigen suspension vial: Thimerosal, sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections. The drug substance contains trace residual amounts of egg proteins, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate and sucrose.

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Mercury is dangerous.
(Source: vran.org)

“The most likely sources of the mercury are maternal dental fillings, maternal fish consumption, consumer products (eye drops, nasal sprays, others), Rho-gam shot, Influenza vaccine during pregnancy, and childhood vaccines. The increase in autism appears to correlate with the increased use of vaccinations. In children who are fully vaccinated, by the sixth month of life they have received more mercury from vaccines than recommended by the EPA. There are many similarities in symptoms between mercury toxicity and autism, including social deficits, language deficits, repetitive behaviors, sensory abnormalities, cognition deficits, movement disorders, and behavioral problems. There are also similarities in physical symptoms, including biochemical, gastrointestinal, muscle tone, eurochemistry, neurophysiology, EEG measurements, and immune system/autoimmunity.” (quoted from notes (part 3), taken at the recent DAN! – Defeat Autism Now Conference – Oct./01)

The devastating effects of mercury poisoning are well documented and have been known since the 1930’s. To protect their unborn infants from mercury poisoning, pregnant women are advised against eating shellfish and other species of fish contaminated with high levels of mercury and are cautioned about the risks of mercury containing dental amalgam fillings, yet health officials encourage pregnant women to receive flu vaccine injections which contain thimerosal, a mercury compound that can cross the placenta and affect the growing fetus.

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Of all the ways I could die, dying from H1N1 is not a concern of mine. Look at all the people who are dying of cancer (let me remind you again to be careful with what you’re exposing your body to, whether it’s food or drugs or skin care or plastics, all which can be cancer causing). I have a better chance of being hit by a car than I do dying from H1N1, and I don’t stress about it every day, and the media isn’t running story after story after story about how to be careful when crossing the street.

(Source: Statistics Canada)

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This is all going to be over soon and then you’re going to have t-shirts that say, “I survived the swine flu 2009″ because it’s not actually that big of a deal.
(Source: The Globe and Mail)

With H1N1, the flu season started early, so it will probably end early – the flu will likely have spread all over the country by Christmas. What happens after Christmas remains unclear, but likely the strains of seasonal flu will start to spread more aggressively.

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The immediate side effects scare me.

A little boy at Ash’s daycare was vaccinated and spent the next day on a cot, crying, totaly miserable. A woman that I work with takes care of a little girl who was vaccinated and her side effect was huge open sores appearing on and around her crotch. Far beyond a typical diaper rash: seriously bad stuff happening there.

Other possible side effects?
(Source: Suite101)

Headache
Fatigue for several days after
Fever
Muscle aches
Nausea
Redness, soreness, swelling or tenderness near injection site
Fainting (mainly with teens)

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Listen, if this shit is happening with adults, what the FUCK is it doing to your little fetus growing inside of your body, exposed to every good and bad thing that you put in your body? With such rapid growth happening, how can you POSSIBLY think that something so strong isn’t going to have some kind of effect?! Seriously?! Getting this vax while pregnant is one of the STUPIDEST things I have EVER, EVER heard. I hope your baby is okay, seriously.

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Here’s the big one: Doctors are not gods. Lots of people are saying, “but if it’s not safe, why would my doctor tell me to get it?” They ALSO told people to get the swine flu vaccination in 1976 and more people died FROM THE VACCINATION than they did the flu! They also told pregnant women that it was safe to take a particular anti-nausea drug until they realized it was causing severe deformities! They used to x-ray pregnant women until, whoopsie! sorry! that causes damage too! They also used to knock women out while she was in labour and tie her down to “help” her give birth only a few decades ago. Everyone trusted THOSE doctors too, but they have all made some pretty big fucking mistakes- especially mistakes that have been funded by huge drug companies. Do not trust everything your doctor says.

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Here it is: you couldn’t pay me enough money to vaccinate myself, my kid, my husband, anyone against H1N1. If we get sick, we’ll be fine. We’re healthy. I’m still nursing Ash. We’ll stay in bed and recover. The flu always sucks, but an unknown, relatively untested vaccination like this one with more media coverage than what’s good for it is much, much worse in my books.

47 Responses to "Mass Hysteria, MD"

1 | Jenn

November 7th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

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Amen, sister.

Looks like you’ve done some serious research. You’ve just confirmed alot of the thoughts and all of the fears I have about this ‘vaccine’.

Thanks for being about the only person who feels the same as I do…too many people are getting caught up in unnecessary panic.

2 | Danielle

November 7th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

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Bravo, Gillian. Very well researched and said.

3 | Carla

November 7th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

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Hurrah Gillian :D I agree 3000%!

4 | Maggie

November 7th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

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agreed!! I read that vitamin D will help you not get the flu and it will help you recover faster if you do get it. It only takes 15-20 minutes of sun to get enough vitamin D so I think we’re covered here.

5 | Kristine

November 7th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

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I have to (politely) disagree with almost everything you wrote. I do not believe your ideas are well researched. There has never been a link between vaccines causing autism.

I do understand why parents have strong views about the vaccine, but I believe that you can’t just judge everyone and say how awful it is to get vaccinated! It is important for people with underlying conditions to get vaccinated, especially pregnant women. Pregnant women are having difficulty fighting off the H1N1 flu , and sitting around the house drinking fluids and resting doesn’t make it all go away! I think you might change your mind if you contracted it and you or your son ended up in the hospital.

6 | Asheo

November 7th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

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I chose to be vaccinated, along with my son, and my husband… at first I wasn’t planning to get it, but the more I read about it, heard about everything on both sides, I decided it would be best to protect my unborn child, and my 2 month old baby brother. They wouldn’t be able to fight it off, so I KNOW we made the right decision in getting the shot. and yes, we all got the adjuvented shot, and I am 100% ok with that.
There is less mercury in the vaccine, from what I’ve read/heard, than there is in tuna.
None of us had ANY reaction to the shot, besides sore arms for 2 days, which happens from any shot.
Most people I know have gotten the shot, and most didn’t have any reaction to it… my 2 year old sister did get a fever from it for one day, but she usually does with shots, so it had nothing to do with that shot in particular.
If it weren’t for my unborn child, and baby brother, I wouldn’t have gotten the shot, I would have kept thinking it was “just a flu”… I’ve only ever had one regular flu shot in my life, and I have never had the flu, so I was looking at it as “it won’t happen to me”… but you just never know… wasn’t willing to take the chance on their lives.
I see no issue with it one way or the other… each person has to make the “right” choice for their own family, in their own situation.

7 | typealice

November 8th, 2009 at 4:32 am

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Kristine: Ask any parent whose child has suddenly, out of nowhere, had their child act completely different after receiving a vaccination if they still think there’s no correlation to autism. I think you’ll hear that there is definitely a link. There probably is some preexisting issue there that hasn’t shown its face until after the vax, but I definitely think that there is a link between autism and vaccinations.

Vaccinations cause/unearth all kinds of issues with people, not JUST autism- autism is just the most publicized.

8 | mk

November 8th, 2009 at 4:53 am

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We’re doing a very spread out schedule for Rowan which will include all the ‘majors’ (polio, meningitis). My pediatrician gives me the names of all the lot numbers so I can research whether they are ‘hot lots’ or not, and has told me straight up which contain harmful adjuvants and which do not.

We had a doctor’s appointment a couple of days ago to get started, but we changed our minds when we realized how hard it had been to get our appointment and that it was likely due to the scores of children made to sit together in a very enclosed space. Our doctor called us, annoyed that we had postponed due to all the ‘flu bullshit’. She is required to get one, but wouldn’t otherwise.

My decision to vaccinate came after much agony and collection of information from both sides of the argument. In the end, members of my family have lived through some pretty serious diseases before certain vaccinations were available. And, while our quality of life is certainly higher and were are certainly the most ‘healthy’ of humans these days, I can’t deny that it is in part due to the science of vaccination. All of my sisters and myself are fully vaccinated on spread out schedules but we’ve never gotten flu shots. We’ve just gotten the flu.

Disease is part of evolution and it eliminates faulty DNA from the grand scheme of things. That may be a harsh way to say it, but humans have gotten too big for their britches where nature is concerned. The flu will continue to evolve with us and I accept that one day I might be on the black list.

9 | meg

November 8th, 2009 at 5:59 am

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I’m not opposed to all vaccines (I vaccinated my children), but I do believe in being informed.

When I found out about the swine flu, I called my pediatrician to ask him what he thought (I have an awesome pediatrician) and whether or not I should have my youngest daughter innoculated (because of some issues we’ve had with her).

He said that he didn’t recommend the swine flu vaccination because it was untested. He said he wouldn’t give it to his own children so he def wouldn’t recommend it to his patients. In the end, though, he told me it was my decision, but that they wouldn’t be able to do it.

I decided not to get the vaccination because I felt that it wasn’t necessary and the risk outweighed the benefit.

I think as parents we make the best decisions we can with the information we have on hand and hope for the best. :)

10 | Ashley

November 8th, 2009 at 7:11 am

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I LOVE your Halloween costumes! You guys are awesome.

11 | Bec

November 8th, 2009 at 9:37 am

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Okay, I NEVER express dissenting opinions on blogs since I’d rather eat my own chin than get into an online debate about anything, vaccinations trebly so. However, you’re flat-out wrong on the autism/vaccine link thing. There isn’t one. Really. If you’re referring to Wakefield, he’s soundly debunked, a criminal and an ass. I don’t even know why I’m posting this, since I feel uncomfortable doing it and it isn’t my style at all, but I’m infuriated by that misinformation. Infuriated!

12 | typealice

November 8th, 2009 at 10:26 am

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Bec: you know as well as I do that it’s a huge conflicting issue with no right answer (yet).

14 | Jules

November 8th, 2009 at 11:26 am

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Hmmmm. Interesting post.

I must admit I briefly did get caught up in H1N1 PANIC!!! Thankfully, logic prevaled (oh and a lack of vaccines) and I am satified with regular handwashing, coughing into my sleeve, efforts to boost my own immune systems etc.

It is a scary thing though to think the young (and often healthy) are dying from this flu. Albeit far fewer than the seasonal flu. Anyhow, this season I have developed a much greater appreciation for the severity of flu in general. Something I had taken for granted. Don’t mess with the (any) flu.

I must admit I am relieved to hear some of my siblings who are emergency health care workers got the shot. I gather the ER rooms are (even more) uninviting with their pandemic precautions and flooding of sickies. Some of my nieces and nephews are “high risk” due to age and some serious underlying health conditions. They too got the shot and I am relieved (also no negative side effects- phew). I realized a good chunk of my panic regarding the flu was for these more vulnerable folks in my life.

15 | Jen

November 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

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As you know, I did elect to vaccinate Kale for his regular childhood immunizations after much research. I play the what if game with this one, worried that having vaxed him was wrong, just as I am now playing the what if game by choosing not to get the H1N1 vaccination. One of the many reasons why we are not getting vaxed for H1N1 is simply that there are people out there who I think need it more than us that are immuno-compromised. I still think it’s just a flu, and that a vax is not going to help down the road because your body relies on chemically created compounds to fight off what our bodies naturally are supposed to do. Clinics here are still only vaxing high priority people – and I think their list is wrong and was too quickly rolled out. People are lining up for HOURS (and any of you with toddlers probably can imagine how many HAPPY children that is producing) and the chances of catching something in a dirty mall full of sweating, bored, people standing around with questionable levels of hygiene and immunity is HIGH. We chose not, because I don’t want to make the decision because of panic.

16 | Asheo

November 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

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Luckily our wait, from the time of getting in line, to leaving time was only 2.5 hours.

17 | Nancy

November 8th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

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Anything can be toxic, it depends on the dose. The dose of mercury in the H1N1 vaccine is less than the amount found in a can of tuna. If I remember corectly, pregnant women are advised to keep their tuna intake below a can a week. Mass hysteria is dangerous, whether directed for or against the vaccine.

As is the idea with childhood vaccines, immunizations protect our whole population against contagious illnesses. Being certain that you and your family will be able to fight something off misses the point, particularly if you’re taking part in daycare, and interacting with customers at your job.

18 | typealice

November 8th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

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Nancy: Should I also be avoiding the grocery store? The gas station? Should I be staying inside until this whole thing has passed just because I’m not vaccinated? C’mon, that’s not realistic.

OR! Maybe I should point out that people who are vaccinated can still get the flu! And that it takes two weeks for the vax to even work.

As for the tuna thing, I don’t eat that either. And ingesting something is much different than having it injected. I can swallow rattlesnake venom and it won’t do anything, but guess what happens if it’s injected. Yeah, that point is moot.

19 | Ashley

November 8th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

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We don’t eat tuna either. Pass on mercury build up! (Have you read Slow Death by Rubber Duck yet? The chapter on mercury was the nail in the coffin of our tuna eating).

20 | Nancy

November 8th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

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I’m not suggesting that you stay home from anywhere, nor am I saying that taking part in social healthcare is your responsibility- there are many good reasons not to. However, stating “If we get sick, we’ll be fine. We’re healthy.” is irrelevant in deciding whether to vaccinate or not. People do not participate in vaccination programs in order to keep themselves healthy, necessarily, but those around who might have a harder time battling a given illness. Just like the vaccinations that other people get may help you out at some point in the future, if only in limiting how much viruses are able to mutate while being transmitted through a population.

And again looking at the whole, and not your personal situation, the comparison of mercury in vaccines to tuna comes up a lot in the news in order to keep things in perspective regarding toxicity, unrelated to whether you eat tuna or not. Injesting and injecting something like mercury are comparable routes of uptake, although eating it does take a more circuitous route through your digestive tract before ending up in your bloodstream and then your fat stores.

21 | typealice

November 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

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Nancy: I should have been more clear: I’m not vaccinating Ash against anything not “because we’re healthy” but for other reasons.

I’m not vaccinating him against H1N1 because we are healthy and this media frenzy is transparent to me, and I’m not worried.

22 | Meg

November 9th, 2009 at 8:59 am

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I think people who choose not to get vaccinated are the reason people are still fighting diseases that could be completely avoided and wiped out. No one is saying H1N1 is the end of the world, or that it is more deadly then regular flu. They are saying that H1N1 is clearly effecting people who are not normally effected, such as children and young adults. Instead of elderly. Do a little more research and then post blogs on the interent about it. And likewise, I hope your child ends up okay.

23 | typealice

November 9th, 2009 at 9:02 am

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Meg: I’ve done my research. I’ve read that the vaccine is only about 80% effective. We don’t trust that for birth control, why would we trust it for a vaccine?

And are you telling me, in all honesty, that the normal flu doesn’t usually effect adults and children, but instead only old people? You’re kidding right?

My kid will be just fine.

24 | Laura

November 9th, 2009 at 10:03 am

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Just an FYI to Jen, if you DO get a vaccine, your body is not relying on artificial compounds to fight disease. Vaccines introduce a small amount of antigen to stimulate the immune system’s creation of antibodies, just as they would if you naturally contracted the disease. There are only a few instances where you would be given a shot that would actually assist in fighting off the disease itself (I believe this happens in treating suspected Tetanus if you have not had a recent booster, etc).
That said, my entire clan (me, hubby, and 4 kids, age 2-9) caught the flu within the last month was basically two days of fever and feeling like crap, and then it was over. No big deal for them. Not really all that big for me either, except the day after my fever broke, I miscarried (was at 9 weeks). Still don’t know if it was due to the flu or not. I don’t regret not getting the vaccine, but I would advise all pregnant women to at least check in with the doctor if you suspect the flu. The fever sets in very fast (3-4 hours).

25 | Asheo

November 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am

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I read that the vaccine is 98% effective… bah, who knows.

26 | Ashley

November 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

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Gillian – have you read that the 13 year old Toronto hockey player had menengitis and NOT H1N1?! Talk about a nice “p.s.” in the papers. OOPS! Sorry to cause extreme panic! We made a mistake!

27 | Steph

November 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

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Oh I love heated debates! ;)
In any case, as far as any vax is concerned, to each their own. Everyone has an opinion and are free to state it of course and that’s fine.
I haven’t been vaccinated in years and its appalling to me that certain jobs (IE my friend who works in a school) are FORCED to get both flu vaccines because the school board which is controlled by the government said so. Failure to do so would result in an un-paid suspension. I think its bullshit!
I choose not to get any vaccine because I won’t give into the hype, but I won’t judge those that choose to do so because everyone has their reasons. But I do agree that FAR too many people play into the hype and the BS panic, after all it IS only a flu that’s been around a LONG time. Well said Gillian!

28 | typealice

November 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

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Ashley: I *hadn’t* heard that! That’s crazy!!!

29 | Meg

November 9th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

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Regular flu related deaths are higher in elderly. The H1N1 is causing more deaths in pregnant women and young adults, is what I was saying. Which would be why people are making a bigger deal out of it. Not that the world is going to be wiped out. Anyone can post any “facts” on the web, and people choose to believe whichever they want. Which is fine and dandy. Just as long as your infected child, who did not receive a vaccine, does not come into contact with my infant who is not able to receive the vaccine.

30 | typealice

November 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

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So then, Meg, both you and I are in the same boat- neither kid received the vax, so we’re both at the same risk.

Those of us who choose to not vax our kids know the risk with polio, tetnus etc and we’re willing to take the chance. Those of you who do vax your kids should pretty much not worry since your kids are “safe.” I’m not sure what the big uproar is about since you technically have nothing to worry about.

31 | Asheo

November 9th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

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so then I guess the 13 year old wasn’t up to date on his vaccines…

32 | typealice

November 9th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

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Vaccinations are not 100%.

33 | Ashley

November 10th, 2009 at 7:38 am

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Meg have you read about efficacy rates? At 13 he’d be waning. No vaccine works 100%, 100% of the time. Far, far from it.

34 | amanda

November 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am

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hey gillian. so i’m a nanny of a 22 month old boy. he has had the flu shot but not the h1n1. both his parents are doctors. his mom is preggo and both parents have had the h1n1 shot. they are due for baby in february and want me to get h1n1. i’m against vaccines across the board for myself. no flu shots no hpv shot. etc. anyway. i’m having a massive dilemna about this. i don’t want to lose my job. but i also pretty much refuse to get the shot at this point. what are you thoughts on what i should do?? what do you think about the preservative free shot? hmm. i honestly am at a loss right now.

35 | Gillian

November 10th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

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Amanda: Are they actually threatening your job? Is there any way you could just lie to them and tell them that you got it when you actually didn’t?

Your rights come first, your body has to come first before any job does. Once this whole swine flu thing settles down and gets out of the media, something like this won’t be such a big deal, if I were you, I’d do what you feel is right, and try to ignore the pressure from other people and their beliefs.

(that includes the rest of you who are pro-vax. Ignore what I’m saying and my beliefs, if you really want to. I don’t care.)

36 | Jess

November 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

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Er…one reason the elderly are not getting hit hard is because the flu has been around for a long time, with outbreaks in the 50’s and 70’s…so some have immunity, whereas 30 year olds and under dont.

Im 21 weeks pregnant and not getting the shot. I also do not get regular flu shots or the flu *touch wood*

37 | Carmen

November 11th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

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I find it odd that a school forces people to get flu shots, I work in a hospital and we aren’t forced to have any vaccines. Sure they strongly recommend certain ones, but there’s no requirements. The only requirements are a TB test, annually. I have had my flu vaccine, as I do every year I remember to get it, and will get the H1N1 one as soon as its’ available to me (I’m not in a high priority job for it right now, so I have to wait). I realize that you can still get the flu after getting the vaccine (due to the multiple strains)..that’s ok with me, I still prefer getting what protection I can. For the last 7ish years I’ve gotten the flu shot, and only one of those years did I get the flu, so I’m happy with those statistics, especially since I work around sick people all the time.

Gillian I have a question? What do you think of vaccines against diseases that used to be prevalent (like smallpox and polio) that have been pretty much done away with due to vaccination programs? This isn’t an “Oh your wrong!” post, I’m just wondering if you think those vaccination programs should have been used?

38 | typealice

November 12th, 2009 at 6:25 am

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Carmen: I think that they were definitely important. I think they were just as important as nutritional education and practice, clean water supplies, proper housing, sewage treatment, and overall general health. I’m not sure which one was more effective at decreasing the spread of those diseases.

One thing that I will say is that I do thank most people for vaxing their kids- it’s kind of what I rely on to keep my own kid safe. ;)

39 | Joan

November 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

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http://unaskedadvice.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/cdc-chief-admits-that-vaccines-trigger-autism/

as to the vaccine causing autism; would you not considr the Chief of the CDC a good source to quote?

or perhaps the US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and other Justice Department officials, on behalf of the Department of Health and Human Services:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/government-concedes-vacci_b_88323.html

Seems to me that even though fo years it was argued by the very drug companies that created the “safe vaccines” to use on our children that they were NOT the cause of autism, the tide is slowly beginning to turn. Why would the government allow this to go on for so very long? Simply put, drug companies have the best funded lobbyists out there.

I refuse to allow myself or my child to have the vaccine for H1N1, it’s not properly tested, it has dangerous chemicals in it and lastly, its just a bloody flu, you get it, you get ovr it with a stronger immune system then you originally started out with.
and to the one who used he ridiculous threat of “I think you might change your mind if you contracted it and you or your son ended up in the hospital.” Don’t follow the same propaganda and fear mongering tactics that the press sink to, chances are even if Gillian or her son cach it, they will be ill fo 3-9 days, and be over it. And I have personally known many moms and 3 little oes that have had H1N1 and gotten over it quite nicely.

Geez people, the whole concept of herd innoculation is what has caused many viruses to mutate and grow stronger. You would think we had learned our lesson after the whole issue with “trusted” doctors giving antibiotics to everyone for every litle sniffle, now we have antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria that can kill. And babies born that are highly allergic to antibiotics. C’mon people, we have an immune system for a reason, let it do it’s job

40 | Nancy

November 12th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

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Joan, vaccines and antibiotics are utterly different kettles of fish, as are viruses and bacteria. I’m sure you can find an basic rundown at wikipedia. It’s a personal choice to make choices for your family based on the more inflammatory parts of the internet, but avoid muddying the waters for those who are just trying to make a well informed decision.

41 | Carmen

November 12th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

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Another thing, doctor’s are not solely to blame for the resistance to antibiotics we’re now seeing. Companies add antibacterial agents to EVERYTHING..car wash, hand soap, counter tops, etc etc. We have overexposed everything.

42 | Jill B

November 13th, 2009 at 8:00 am

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Great post. The media definitely makes it easy to caught up in the panic over H1N1, especially when you have little ones. This week at Ivy’s daycare 4 kids were swabbed by their doctor’s and diagnosed with it. 3 of those kids are in Ivy’s classroom and she is in very close contact w/them every day. So far, aside from a slight fever last week, she has been fine. The kids who have it are fine too and will be back in daycare next week I’m sure.

43 | Indigo

November 14th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

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Awesome post!

To previous posters who refuse to buy the autism/vaccination link – I’m the mother of a severely autistic child. The vaccinations did not CAUSE his autism, but overnight, he went from a happy, quirky baby (yes, a few autistic traits were there) to a shrieking, physically aggressive child.

I have HFA, or high-functioning autism. Yes, I agree that there’s usually, although not always, a genetic link. I can tell you how horribly messed up my brain feels after vaccinations, and other medications that most of the population ingests without thinking twice, but it’s not a pretty picture to paint for anyone.

There IS crap in vaccines that can seriously damage a person. There IS a lot of ass-covering going on, and a lot of seriously ill children out there. There are many sources that prove the link between vaccinations and the onset of autism, and other autoimmune disorders. Some autoimmune disorders are turning out to be things we never thought of as such – forms of heart disease, for example, and certain types of diabetes, and many others that would shock anyone.

Vaccination is such a personal choice, but people really need to stop assuming it’s all good after they read a few scary stories about the flu, or a few positive reports about the vaccination.

44 | jocelyn

November 15th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

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I’m not even going to jump into the discussion about autism and vaccines – but as a scientist, I’m just going to plead that you get your information from independent research and not from the media or the internet.

How you can say in one paragraph that “the media is controlling your minds” and in every other paragraph, quote only media sources (and one website that is essentially quoting internet-only sources) is disturbing to me.

I don’t espouse a particular side, simply plead that you get better sources for your information.

As someone who has had research studies published in scientific literature and subsequently watched them be horrifically misquoted and poorly described in the mass media, I no longer trust that popular media can accurately describe it to the public. Certainly this is true about H1N1, just as much as it is true about the autism/vaccine thing. If you’ve ever seen Al Gore’s film An Inconvenient Truth, you’ve seen a great demonstration of how “debate” is manufactured by the popular press, who feel an onus to represent even the most fringe opinion, when in fact there is no real debate at all.

A good way to get access to scientific research from peer-reviewed publications (this is where all research published must be first reviewed by an anonymous panel of experts in the field to check for veracity, poor method, plagiarism, etc.) is to go to http://www.pubmed.gov and type in your search terms. Keep in mind these abstracts are written for other scientists, so don’t expect that you’ll understand everything – but if you don’t, bring it to your doctor, or look up the individual terms. This is the way to find out information if you want to know what researchers have been able to find out doing long, painstaking, careful experiments starting with theories going all the way up to animal and human trials.

Scientists are held to a very strict standard – they are not allowed, by the rigors of the scientific method – to “prove something.” They can only significantly disprove – which means they can test a theory and repeat it to the point that they know, statistically, whether their theory has been disproven. The statistical standard is so vanishingly small that this is a very strong safety against making erroneous conclusions.

In contrast, the media only has to hold up to the “I got it from XYZ source and someone else verified it” standard – even worse, the sources they quote don’t have to have any standard at all. The vast majority of the internet doesnt’ require you to have any special credentials to post online, and thus you need to always, always, always consider the source.

45 | Shannon

November 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am

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Hmmm… having some trouble getting this to post. Sorry if it’s just sitting in moderation and I’m posting it over and over.

All that said, the “regular” flu does kill quite a few people — far more than are affected by the side-effects of vaccines — and every once in a while, a “regular” flu outbreak kills millions of people (think the 1918 flu outbreak — an H1N1 variant — that killed 50 million people. H1N1 in the form of the 1918 pandemic had a mortality rate of 10-20%, which is hugely higher than the complication rate of the vaccine).

In the US alone, 200,000 people are HOSPITALIZED every year with the flu, and 36,000 DIE every year from the flu. For comparison there are about 3,000 new cases of autism per year in the US — and of course these are not conclusively all linked to the vaccine, whereas all the deaths I just mentioned are linked to the flu. And of course the flu vaccines are not 100% effective either. Still, if one goes by logic and numbers alone, then it seems like vaccines are the significantly safer alternative.

It is 100% true that the vaccines have complications (whether they are linked to autism or not). However, NOT taking the vaccine comes with a different set of complications and risks, given the right circumstances and exposures. The relevant question is which of the two options — each with pros and cons — is safer, and it seems to me that taking the vaccine is a lot safer. That doesn’t mean it’s 100% safe. It just means it’s significantly safer than the alternative.

46 | Shannon

November 16th, 2009 at 9:15 am

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So to put it in simple terms:

Would you prefer a 1 in 10 chance that your child dies, or would you prefer a 1 in 100 chance that your child gets autism… That’s sort of the decision that one has to make with vaccines.

47 | Melissa

November 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

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Before polio vaccine was available, 13,000 to 20,000 cases of paralytic polio were reported each year in the United States.

Before measles immunization was available, nearly everyone in the U.S. got measles. An average of 450 measles-associated deaths were reported each year between 1953 and 1963.

Before Hib vaccine became available, Hib was the most common cause of bacterial meningitis in U.S. infants and children. Before the vaccine was developed, there were approximately 20,000 invasive Hib cases annually. Approximately two-thirds of the 20,000 cases were meningitis, and one-third were other life-threatening invasive Hib diseases such as bacteria in the blood, pneumonia, or inflammation of the epiglottis. About one of every 200 U.S. children under 5 years of age got an invasive Hib disease. Hib meningitis once killed 600 children each year and left many survivors with deafness, seizures, or mental retardation.

Before pertussis immunizations were available, nearly all children developed whooping cough. In the U.S., prior to pertussis immunization, between 150,000 and 260,000 cases of pertussis were reported each year, with up to 9,000 pertussis-related deaths.

Before pneumococcal conjugate vaccine became available for children, pneumococcus caused 63,000 cases of invasive pneumococcal disease and 6,100 deaths in the U.S. each year.

In 1964-1965, before rubella immunization was used routinely in the U.S., there was an epidemic of rubella that resulted in an estimated 20,000 infants born with CRS, with 2,100 neonatal deaths and 11,250 miscarriages. Of the 20,000 infants born with CRS, 11,600 were deaf, 3,580 were blind, and 1,800 were mentally retarded.

Prior to the licensing of the chickenpox vaccine in 1995, almost all persons in the United States had suffered from chickenpox by adulthood. Each year, the virus caused an estimated 4 million cases of chickenpox, 11,000 hospitalizations, and 100-150 deaths.

More than 2 billion persons worldwide have been infected with the hepatitis B virus at some time in their lives. Of these, 350 million are life-long carriers of the disease and can transmit the virus to others. One million of these people die each year from liver disease and liver cancer.

In the 1920’s, diphtheria was a major cause of illness and death for children in the U.S. In 1921, a total of 206,000 cases and 15,520 deaths were reported. With vaccine development in 1923, new cases of diphtheria began to fall in the U.S., until in 2001 only two cases were reported.

http://www.cdc.gov

My four month old is being fully vaccinated. My husband and myself did get the H1N1 vax to protect her. I find it ironic that you blast mainstream media panic, yet pull out the vax conspiracy panic.

The study that this panic is based on is 10 years old. Since then, many studies have tried to replicate it’s findings and have been unable to do so, making it invalid. Also, it was found that the records of twelve of the children do not match up with their hospital records and their symptoms were basically made up by “Dr” Wakefield.

I don’t vaccinate for herd immunity. I don’t vaccinate because it’s what I’m told I should do. I don’t belief that the government is trying to cover up some huge vaccine/autism link. I vaccine because I KNOW that the diseases she’s being vaccinated against are much more dangerous than the imaginary, minute possibility that the vaccines could cause autism. I respect your decision not to, but I certainly don’t agree with you.

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